Philippos Fourty-Two ([info]philippos42) wrote,
@ 2007-09-17 22:07:00
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Sexy? So what?
[Warning: this is just me reposting & barely expanding on a comment on someone else's blog. again.]

Hence:
"Not like I want to deliberately hurt anyone's feelings by saying "you're fat, so I don't find you sexually attractive", but there it is, and maybe you're a wonderful, beautiful soul under that cellulite, but if you're overweight, that's just going to limit how deep our relationship goes. Whether that's fair or not, that's how it is. And you can't impose different standards for attractiveness on me just because we should all be all understanding and not judging people by their looks. Adding, what, fifty pounds to the physique of many a superheroine would make them that much less appealing to me.

"Tell me - would you want a 250-pound Nightwing running around? Or better yet, a 350-pound Guy Gardner? His ring's power comes from his mind, so he doesn't have to actually keep fit, he could scarf Cheetos down constantly inbetween buying buckets at the KFC..."
Huh?

I think your argument went off the rails when you seemed to decide that of course all superheroes are supposed to be sexy, & for that matter, sexy to you.

(And speaking of rails, Twiggy was rail-thin. Scary.) See here.

I don't find Batman sexy. Just don't. He looks like a guy I'd want to punch in the face. I find the Ray sympathetic, but sexy might be pushing it. I'm not so much into guys. If I were, maybe I'd be into Nightwing; even as a straight guy, I can see the sexy there.

Now, female characters, some of them are sexy. Donna Troy is sexy. Jessica Drew is sexy. Lia "Looker" Briggs is sexy, & a good thing; that's her schtick.

But there are plenty of female characters that are sympathetic & interesting to me, that aren't exactly sexy to me. I like Wolfsbane, from New Mutants & X-Factor, but not necessarily in that way. Someone else might find her sexy, & I can see it, but it's not the sexy that makes her interesting, or even that makes her likable. Same deal with Storm, whom I love as a character. Is she sexy? Sure. Is that what's important about her, what makes her attractive to me as a character? Not so much. I started on X-Men as a kid, where I identified with Kitty & Illyana as the kid characters, so I like Storm as this cool "older sister" character, like she was to Kitty. Her sexuality is just a small part of her.

And then there are characters like Amanda Waller from Suicide Squad, who's not built for spandex & knows it. She's not a super-type in tights; she gives characters like that their orders. Not sexy to me, maybe to somebody; but I love the Wall like you wouldn't believe.

Good characters != sexy characters.



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[info]thekamisama
2007-09-18 08:26 pm UTC (link)
Ted Kord might not have been the number one top superhero ever, but the character had/still has a strong fan following. He had weight issues, sometimes played to comedic effect, but still he had weight issues.
And I am willing to bet that there is a dedicated amount of Chubby Blue Beetle and Booster Gold slash fiction out there.

Now I want to go look for some Amanda Waller porn...

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[info]mechanicaljewel
2007-09-19 07:06 am UTC (link)
The sheer amount of White/Orange Reservior Dogs slash fic out there is a sign that women tend to have a few more qualifiers on their sexy. I mean, Tim Roth, sure. But Harvey Keitel? You've got to be making excuses for that.

(No I don't know this from personal experience, shut up)

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(Anonymous)
2007-09-20 02:33 am UTC (link)
The thing is, Batman SHOULD be sexy. It's part of his character. A MAJOR part of his character. The mere sight of Bruce Wayne is SUPPOSED to bring debutantes, girl reporters, and supervillainesses alike to their knees, reeling from the sheer force of his gorgeous.

So, when I see a Bruce Wayne that ISN'T a pretty-boy, I GET ANGRY. Especially if he's surrounded by perfect, pretty, posed chickys. Especially if people defend those pretty perfect chickys with cries of "It's part of her CHARACTER!"

IT'S ESSENTIAL TO HALF THE BAT-PLOTS IN EXISTENCE THAT BRUCIE BE PRETTY!

That is all.

If you are angry when any chicky isn't pretty, on supposed grounds of proper representation, you must be equally angry WHENEVER Batman isn't pretty. Or you are talking out of your ass. :)



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[info]zhinxy
2007-09-20 02:35 am UTC (link)
Uh, that's me above.

And adding: There are sexy and non-sexy women in the world. Some of them are boring, some of them are fascinating. Let's see them all. Except the boring ones. They can take a hike.

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[info]jbramx2
2007-09-20 02:46 am UTC (link)
I gotta wonder is...do we really have to care about this person's opinion? Do we? They sure as hell don't care about my or others opinions, so why do I have to worry about what he or others like him think?

Dunno, I really don't feel bad about comic books losing readers like him.

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