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August 27th, 2007
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Take away my feminist card, I'm about to defend Adam Hughes
I could just let this hide in a comment on someone else's blog, but screw it. First, I think Saranga's point there about the unfortunate tendency in Anglophone culture to call anyone in a thong a slut is quite right. Second, I may as well call some of y'all on it, too. It kind of needs to be aired a little bit.

(Note, that Saranga is not trying to defend the statue overall. See her points here. I'm a lot mellower about it, but I've lived through Sue Richards in the horrifying skimpy costume with the cutout "4", so this seems...at least not nearly so obnoxious by comparison. And I have a pretty pretty poster by Carl Potts of the X-Men women sunbathing, & I even bought a couple of those Marvel swimsuit specials back in the day. I'm not going to pretend I'm too pure or too sane to find comic-book women in provocative poses tempting.)

What follows is my comment on her post:

OK, I think I tend to absorb the opinions of those around me a bit, so I've just sort of accepted the outrage over the MJ statuette.

But, yeah, to be honest, the outrage took on a life of its own, & people's anti-thong prejudices got in there.

MJ was designed to be A TOTAL HOTTIE. That's her original character pitch. She's not the sweet modest girl next door, she's the wild hippie girl with the face of a movie star. (And the recent teen Mary Jane comics? Full of retcon nonsense.)

So, yeah, a sexy, wild hottie who's been shown as knowing Pete was Spidey long before they got hitched; being, you know, wild, hot, sexy, & slyly smiling upon finding his Spidey-togs in the laundry. Not out of character. I was rereading some Mackie Spider-Man issues today, so, really, ask me about the Parkers being out of character.

That said, some people are just skeeved by any artistic prurience. I get that. I sympathize with people's reactions. But on its face, the statue was not the travesty some thought.

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From:xxcreamsodaxx
Date:August 28th, 2007 03:33 am (UTC)
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My problem wasn't that she was hot at all. Hell, I'm rather fond of hot women myself, and of COURSE MJ is dead sexy. She is (was, whatever) a supermodel! And thongs are dead comfortable, screw what anyone else says. A good breeze is where it's at.

The thing is that in the statue she's barefoot (as in "pregnant, in the kitchen"), and doing housework. Not off being the vibrant, wonderful woman MJ always has been, but apparently confined to a role of washing Peter's sweating Spider-gear. And happy about it! If it were me pulling that out of the laundry, I'd be pulling a face; the costume has got to stink with the amount of running around he does. And how in the world does she have time to wash his clothes when she's busy being an actress/model/having a life of her own? She doesn't. He can rinse his own damn costume out. =P

Still, I agree. The amount of outrage over this has gotten a little silly; though you can see how it would. It's less a problem with the statue itself than with the state of fandom -- feminist fen have so deal with so much crap that sometimes a single issue can become a reason to air our collective issues. Sometimes it's Spoiler's case, sometimes it's a statuette.

Ahem. Well. I have no idea what I'm trying to say here, actually. So, um, in conclusion: boobies.
From:philippos42
Date:August 28th, 2007 06:03 am (UTC)
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I could boil my feelings down to, "I don't know what to think."

Yeah, it's a silly image. But I hang around scans_daily with slashniks. The weird things fans do in fanfic are crazier, I think.

I get how people think the statue tasteless. I read what they say & nod. But who are these people, & would they be offended by my current Windows wallpaper? (An old Cindy Crawford photo at the moment.)

I get that Adam Hughes was going for a sort of sexy vignette, & by the time it turned into a statue, it was misinterpreted. Hey, I'm a Wonder Woman nut, so I've complained about Adam Hughes art more than most people & with cause. But I sympathize with his case.

So, I dunno.
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From:rachel_edidin
Date:August 29th, 2007 03:29 pm (UTC)
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Y'know what? I actually dug Adam Hughes's original sketch for the comiquette statue. MJ *did* look feisty, and while she was hella sexy, she also had a lot of spirit. I could buy that MJ discovering and being amused by Spidey's costume in the laundry. It was a cute pin-up, and it worked as a pin-up. The problem with the statue was that it had little or none of the charm of Hughes's version, and he was stupidly defending it as a direct translation of that art--and the intention behind it.
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From:skalja
Date:August 29th, 2007 04:22 pm (UTC)
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What Rachel said. In particular, his insistence that hot = brainless was kind of screwed up.

That said, if you're going to refer to MJ's foreknowledge of Peter's Spidey-ness as part of your defense, then you also have to acknowledge her long-running ambivalence towards Spider-Man as well - which makes the statue entirely out of character as a "discovery" scenario.
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From:rachel_edidin
Date:August 29th, 2007 04:24 pm (UTC)
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I can see her knowing about Peter's Spidey-ness and still being amused to find his costume in the laundry. It fits that silly juxtaposition of the superheroic and mundane that defines Spidey and MJ's lives.
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From:skalja
Date:August 29th, 2007 04:30 pm (UTC)
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After they both know she knows, maybe.
From:amygymuh
Date:August 3rd, 2008 04:50 pm (UTC)
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She knows he knows she knows. And they both know she wouldn't love him nearly so much if he weren't protesting, so swingingly and melodically, that he's not misbehavin'.
From:philippos42
Date:August 31st, 2007 06:09 pm (UTC)

Yes. Out of character.

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Unless it's a non-mainline MJ, maybe Spidey Super Stories MJ or newspaper strip MJ.

I agree with "after they both know she knows," as well.
From:philippos42
Date:August 31st, 2007 06:23 pm (UTC)

See, I just agree with what people say.

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Agh!
From:(Anonymous)
Date:December 15th, 2007 06:10 pm (UTC)

Idetrorce

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very interesting, but I don't agree with you
Idetrorce
From:philippos42
Date:December 19th, 2007 04:28 am (UTC)

Re: Idetrorce

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Fair enough. Sometimes I don't agree with myself.
From:meganoryxe
Date:July 16th, 2008 03:52 pm (UTC)
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(I myself don't know how helpful I was, and I don't know how clear I was, either. ) elroy View Public Profile Send a private message to elroy Find all posts by elroy   # 12   29th July AM timebomb Senior Member   Join Date: Jul Location: Singapore Native language: Singapore, English Age: 53 Posts: Re: too, also and myself Hi, folks, After reading all the replies, I think I can answer my own questions, or part of it.
From:philippos42
Date:August 6th, 2008 05:09 pm (UTC)
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